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Brian Dueck's relentless pursuit of Richard Klassen

I was somewhat disappointed when the defamatory libel charges against me were quashed, because I would have liked the opportunity to state in public Court precisely what I thought his crimes were. (One of my signs read "Arrest and charge Dueck for his crimes." I will outline some of them. This page is devoted to his interview in Red Deer with Rick Klassen. Another page is devoted to Helen R, the profoundly deaf birth mother of the children Dueck used to manufacture his case against the birth and foster families. Here is the Globe and Mail's full journalistic account of the case called Martensville Redux

Brian Dueck

Rick and Rob were protesting Dueck's negligence in allowing Michael to rape his eight year old sister while he was conducting his investigation. While I certainly considered that to be a crime, I also considered the so-called interview tapes of the Red Deer Klassens, which were also part of the Crown disclosure, to show criminal conduct. These were not interviews: they were interrogations.

I have a theory of the case based on my own examination of the disclosure evidence.

My theory is that Dueck took a few coincidental links among people, set about to make them into a case and whenever the facts did not fit, he twisted facts and bullied citizens -- including children -- to create "witnesses" to back up his "facts."

He abused the power that he had as a youth investigator. He used his own disfigurements to persuade officers around him that he was empathetic when he was, in fact, pathological. With a few years left before retirement, he needed to do something bold to get promoted to sergeant so he would have a larger pension when he retired. Convictions based on the uncorroborated testimony of child and female victims had come into vogue. With the help of contract social worker Carol Bunko-Ruys, who claimed she had the credentials to sniff out Satanic abuse, Dueck's career found the boost it needed ro get that promotion!

He must have thought he had struck gold when he found the Klassens. They were people without much formal education. And Rick was the nugget in the goldmine! Rick had a criminal record (never mind that it was an old record -- and that he had paid his penalties and put his past behind him). Dueck thought he had found a whole family he could put away and they would not be able to fight back.

Update, Feb. 2002: Dueck moved up the ranks to become CID Superintendent, a rank he holds today. Chief Dave Scott was fired and Saskatoon went through an interim period to choose a new chief. Throughout this time Dueck remained the most powerful cop in Saskatoon.

The videotaped interviews of the children clearly show that the children never named Rick. When Dueck vigorously suggests the name Rick to the children, they don't even know who he is! When pressed, they make up stories, as they had done with everyone else. So Dueck had manufactured his reasonable grounds to investigate Rick in the first place! Dueck illegally took Rick in for questioning. He had no grounds so he manufactured them.

Basing his actions on therapist Carol Bunko-Ruys's opinion that most abusers were abused themselves, and, therefore people who had suffered abuse would probably turn into abusers (spurious logic), he set out to show that Rick was first abused by his own family, that he in turn abused the Stonechild children, and that this was the reason Beryl Stonechild turned into a vicious murderer.

Because his "investigation" had revealed a link between the Klassen family and a convicted murderer who had been fostered by Rick's grandmother twenty years previously, Dueck thought he could uncover something really big.

When Corporal Brian Dueck set off to Red Deer to interrogate Richard Allen Klassen, he must have thought he was manufacturing a medal-winning case!

Although Sgt. Dueck was careful to cover his ass by reading Rick his rights, he then set about to ignore every rule in the book.

On the matter of counsel. Rick explained that he had retained counsel in Saskatoon. This was a logical thing for him to do since Dueck had first phoned from Saskatoon, indicated the investigation he wanted to talk about occurred in Saskatoon, and had further indicated that he would like to interview Rick in Saskatoon. He gave no prior warning before showing up on Rick's doorstep in Red Deer and did not take at all seriously Rick's intention to have legal counsel. In the interview with Anita, (which we intend also to publish) she requests counsel about eleven times.

The reference to Hugh Beck needs some background. Hugh and Beryl Beck were former foster children of Rick's grandmother, Marie Peters. The boys were only a few years younger than Rick and he had very little contact with them during childhood. He had last seen them when he had asked them to leave his grandmother's house where they had shown up unexpectedly in 1989.

So Dueck's suggestion that Hugh had come into the Saskatoon Police Station and made allegations against Rick a few days before he died is preposterous. It is impossible to verify. But it is almost certainly untrue.

After we were arrested for defaming Dueck, Sgt. MacDonald, a cohort of Dueck's, called Rick into the Saskatoon Police Station ro investigate an allegation from Beryl Stonechild had made from the prison. It was an allegation of sexual abuse - and there is every indication that Stonechild only made the allegation after a visit from the Saskatoon Police.

What on earth made Dueck think that he could go ahead and manufacture more evidence against Rick? I think the answer to this question is that Dueck was rewarded for manufacturing the Foster Parent case. All pressure to have him made accountable for his actions (including the delivery of evidence to the Police Station accompanied by a list of the precise laws he had broken and sworn compaints against him) were ignored. Hewas taken out of youth detail. He was promoted from Corporal to Sergeant and moved to narcotics. The Complaints investigator, Gary Treble, followed up written complaints with personal visits to intimidate the complainant rather than address the complaint.

Dueck had, or believed he had impunity! He just had to discredit the main plaintiff in the civil suit which had been brought against him. So when he discovered an actual fostering link between a hienous murderer and Richard Klassen, he set about to use the murderer to discredit Richard. I believe this crime is called subborning perjury.


Transcript of Red Deer, Alberta Police Video Interview By: Corporal Brian Dueck (Saskatoon City Police) of Richard Allan Klassen (spring) 1991

Dueck: Okay Richard My name's Corporal Brian Dueck, you can call me Brian, and you're Richard Klassen. Right?

Rick: (Nods head yes)

Dueck: Your real name Rick? Rick or Richard?

Rick: Richard.

Dueck: Richard, all right. Your date of birth ?

Rick: March 27th, 1961

Dueck: I need to read you this stuff before we start. just uhm... Some of this has to do with other people. We've got a mess here. We'll start right here. You're living in Red Deer now, are yeah?

Rick: Yeah.

Dueck: Could you give me the address please?

Rick: Number 6 - 10 Fairbank Road.

Dueck: Okay, who are you living with there?

Rick: My wife, and our children. Kari...

Dueck: Kari ?

Rick: K-A-R-I.

Dueck: Ok, and your kids?

Rick: Krystal.

Dueck: How old is Krystal?

Rick: Eight, Kayla 2, and Brady is six months old.

Dueck: Now is Brady a boy, or a girl?

Rick: Boy.

Dueck: Oh you finally had a boy... did you?

Rick: (Nods head)

Dueck: (Clears his throat) Ok I'm, I'm investigating a sexual abuse file that you're well aware... And I'm detaining you for the purpose of investigating a sexual abuse file. You have the right to retain and instruct counsel with out delay. You may call any lawyer if you wish. Legal aid duty counsel is available to provide legal advise to you with out any charge, and can explain the legal aid plan to you. Do you understand Richard?

Rick: (nods head)

Dueck: Do you wish to call a lawyer now?

Rick: Well I think I should. He told me to call if you guys came.

Dueck: Who? Who told you to call?

Rick: My lawyer Daryl. Uhm... he's with Allbright.

Dueck: Daryl in, back in Saskatoon? Oh, you contacted a lawyer there have you? How did you come by getting a lawyer in Saskatoon?

Rick: Pardon?

Dueck: You haven't lived in Saskatoon for two years. How did you?

Rick: Well you guys called us there. That time there... And we went down to see a lawyer.

Dueck: In Saskatoon?

Rick: To obtain a lawyer.

Dueck: Yeah, but I've never talked to you in Saskatoon.

Rick: Yeah, on the phone you talked to me.

Dueck: Yeah, but you were here then!

Rick: Yes.

Dueck: Yeah.

Rick. Then we went down and obtained a lawyer.

Dueck: Did you obtain a lawyer here, or in Saskatoon?

Rick: Saskatoon.

Dueck: Down here?

Rick: Pardon?

Dueck: Down here, or in Saskatoon?

Rick: I phoned one here. He told me well... you should go to Saskatoon where it's taking place.

Dueck: Oh, I see.

Rick: Where you guys are from. So that's what we did We drove down there to see him

Dueck: Okay. Just let me... just finish this and then we'll... You need not say anything in answer to the charge, nothing to hope for any promise or favor, and nothing to fear from any threat whether or not you say anything. Anything you do say may be used against you as evidence. Do you understand that?

Rick: Yep.

Dueck: You must also clearly understand that anything said to you previously by another police officer, should not influence you or make you feel compelled to say anything at this time. Whatever you felt influenced or compelled to say earlier you are not obliged to repeat, nor are you obliged to say anything further, but whatever you do say, may be given as evidence, do you understand that?

Rick: mmm hmm.

Dueck: Okay, So ah, I guess basically what, what it amounts to Rick, and I'm going to give you a little back ground on it okay, uhm, your brother Dale, Peter Dale, and Anita had a foster home, and your sister Pamela had a foster home.And then ah... Are you familiar with ah, Dennis and Diane Kvello? Do you know them?

Rick: Ah, I think yeah, I think that's my brother ah Dale's brother - in - law.

Dueck: Dale's brother in-law.

Rick: Anita's brother, Okay?

Dueck: Yeah ok. Anita's sister, actually!

Rick: I don't know them, but I mean, I know of them.

Dueck: You've never been at their place or anything like that?

Rick: I don't think so, no.

Dueck: Yeah okay. When you lived in Saskatoon, where did you live? You remember, like you said you moved to?

Rick: Leif Erickson Place. Leif Erickson Place.

Dueck: Do you remember any other place?

Rick: Well we lived in an apartment for awhile when we first got married. In a basement suite in Borden Place.

Dueck: Borden place on Confederation? How long would you have lived there?

Rick: Hmm, couple years or something.

Dueck: So you said you got married in 82. So that would have been to 84?

Rick: And then Leif Erickson, we lived there a good year and a half. Before that, we lived in a house too, for two years, orthree years, on Ave. F, or something like that.

Dueck: What years would that have been?

Rick: Ah that's hard to say now, say 84 to 87, 88.

Dueck: Ok, then you moved to Leif Erickson?

Rick: Yeah.

Dueck: After 87?

Rick: Something like that. (nods head yes)

Dueck: And you lived in Leif Erickson until you moved back to Red Deer, here?

Rick: Yeah.

Dueck: Okay.

Rick: My wife would know more. She's better at that.

Dueck:

Why would they do that?

Rick: Yeah.

Dueck: Yeah. Well that's fine. No, it's just what you remember. that's fine it's what you remember. I just wanted to know where you lived in Saskatoon, I think the important thing for you to understand is that, is that, I have nine different children who have given disclosures out of the K. home... And certainly those don't concern you. Ah..., out of Dale and Anita's home, which are the R. children, which vou are familiar with, I'm sure?

Rick: Yeah, yeah, they fostered them.

Dueck: Do you remember their names?

Rick: Two of them, I think.

Dueck: Who were they?

Rick: Michelle, Kathy, oh, and there's a Michael or whatever.

Dueck: Ok, all right.

Rick: Didn't they yeah, yeah?

Dueck: Didn't they what? Sorry...

Rick: They got rid of Tom or whatever. . . at one point.

Dueck: Yeah, yeah.

Rick: He was too much to handle, or whatever.

Dueck: Okay, and then also do you remember any of the foster children that were in ah... were in Pam's house?

Rick: Oh, she's had a lot of foster kids.

Dueck: Yeah.

Rick: I don't know, she's...

Dueck: Yeah !

Rick: Had a lot of foster kids.

Dueck: The ones, that have ah, that ah ... have disclosed to us are ah, ah Crystal M., ah Trevor M., and Ashley S. Just so that you're aware of it.

Rick: Those are her last ones, or whatever.

 Dueck: I would say that. They would be about the last ones, other than little Tom that she adopted.

Rick: Yeah... They didn't disclose anything on me?

Dueck: No, they didn't.

Rick: Why would they do that?

Dueck: Why would they do that?

Rick: Yeah.

Dueck: Okay, why... would the R. kids do that?

Rick: The R. kids... ah, I don't know. (Shakes his head NO a number of times)

Dueck: You don't know? Okay, let me throw another name at you. Ah Rick, just. just out of interest sake, and it's somebody that I talked to in December, of last year, Hugh Beck.

Rick: Yeah, I know him.

Dueck: Do you know him?

Rick: Yep.

Dueck: Do you know what he disclosed to me?

Rick: No. I have an idea because I went through that with Social Services already.

Dueck: Did ya? Ok.

Rick: I straightened it out with them at that, at that point.

Dueck: What was that all about Rick?

Rick: I don't know, Social Services said that he disclosed something about when him and I were kids or something like that. And we abused each other or whatever, or I abused him whatever.

Dueck: Oh. .. Just acted out sexually! Yeah...

Rick: And I told . . .

Dueck: How much older were you than him at that time?

Rick: Social Services then do you know, that's bullshit !

Dueck: Really?

Rick: Because I'd remember something like that personally I mean... I was maybe a screwed up kid.

Dueck: Yeah !

Rick: You know, I didn't have the happiest life.

Dueck: Yeah !

Rick: As a kid.

Dueck: Yeah !

Rick: But I'd remember something like that. And they apologized for it then. I got a letter of apology from them.

Dueck: But I mean Rick, put yourself in that position. Did he...

Rick: Yeah I know. but you're talking about my father here. And I cannot believe my father did something like that.

Dueck: Okay. Rick you...

Rick: I mean this is something serious I, I . . .

Dueck: If you were charged with child abuse, if you were charged with sexual abuse of two children, and you hadn't done it, would you plead guilty to it, to get it over with?

Rick: Absolutely not. (shaking head no)

Dueck: No Exactly I don't think...

Rick: But ah, .ah... I'm not my father. Ah?

Dueck: No, I know that.

Rick: Maybe he did something, I don't know? But if he did; that's his problem.

Dueck: Yeah, yeah, I understand that.

Rick: He's getting help for it.

Dueck: Yeah, yeah, I understand that.

Rick: Ah, it really bothers me; like you know, my father, I've always looked up to him in the fact that ah... If anything he ignored kids, he never came around kids, he never came around us, he never came around anybody. He worked, he worked hard.

Dueck: Where did he work at?

Rick: He was a painter. That guy worked around the clock, I mean ah... he was strict.

Dueck: Uhm.

Rick: But other than that he, he was never ah, that anyone would ever come near us.

Dueck: Well, you know, just using your father as an example in this file Rick. I mean I have disclosures on six children on him, right now, you know.

Rick: I'm sorry if you... if... if you want me to believe that, I can't.

Dueck: You can't believe that?

This page consists entirely of Crown disclosure evidence and the opinions of [the late] Sheila Steele.